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	<title>Reacties bij T Onderzoek / Careless Whispers</title>
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	<description>Studying rights, social position and care for the gender diverse</description>
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		<title>Reactie op Website VU MC genderteam actief door Alice Verheij</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/website-vu-mc-genderteam-actief/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice Verheij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vanuit Limburg lijkt me een gang naar het UZ Gent een logischer route dan naar het VU MC Amsterdam. Niet alleen vwb de afstand maar ook om culturele redenen. Misschien gewoon eens oriënterend contact opnemen met Dr. Monstrey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanuit Limburg lijkt me een gang naar het UZ Gent een logischer route dan naar het VU MC Amsterdam. Niet alleen vwb de afstand maar ook om culturele redenen. Misschien gewoon eens oriënterend contact opnemen met Dr. Monstrey?</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Website VU MC genderteam actief door carolien keldeman</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/website-vu-mc-genderteam-actief/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>carolien keldeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is er binnen Limburg ook een plek bekent voor mensen met genderdystrofie???
gegroet, C.Klederman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is er binnen Limburg ook een plek bekent voor mensen met genderdystrofie???<br />
gegroet, C.Klederman</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Transnormativiteit: een rem op emancipatie! door Ariablue</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/transnormativiteit-een-generatiekwestie/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariablue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On your post... perhaps the people are fighting because they really are different.  It is only society that demands that all people who are not normative be put in the same basket, &quot;other&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your post&#8230; perhaps the people are fighting because they really are different.  It is only society that demands that all people who are not normative be put in the same basket, &#8220;other&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Transnormativiteit: een rem op emancipatie! door Ariablue</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/transnormativiteit-een-generatiekwestie/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariablue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The existence of people like this leads me to question the paradigm of &quot;gender identity&quot;.  I happen to believe it is misleading, and probably a false construct.  One of the things our APA here did in 1984 was to remove &quot;transsexualism&quot; and replace it with &quot;Gender Identity Disorder&quot;.  This, to me, is patently ridiculous.  How can my gender be &quot;disordered&quot;?  It&#039;s mine, and someone else is telling me I am wrong; this is a value judgment.  Who are they to say what is right and wrong, etc.

The links between body, gender, and sexuality are all assumptions.  The normalization that society imposes has no greater scientific merit than any person&#039;s random opinion.  The current theories in psychology are at great odds with those in other disciplines.  They also require a large amount of synthesis, and many assumptions.  To the psychologist, gender identity is something constructed from an early age.  In neurology, does it even make sense to talk of &quot;gender identity&quot;?

The main point being that we may be trying to make all of this too complex.  I don&#039;t think creating a model with three axes (one for sex, one for gender, one for sexuality) is particularly enlightening or useful.  I think it obscures the root causes of all three and misdirects our attention from something more fundamental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The existence of people like this leads me to question the paradigm of &#8220;gender identity&#8221;.  I happen to believe it is misleading, and probably a false construct.  One of the things our APA here did in 1984 was to remove &#8220;transsexualism&#8221; and replace it with &#8220;Gender Identity Disorder&#8221;.  This, to me, is patently ridiculous.  How can my gender be &#8220;disordered&#8221;?  It&#8217;s mine, and someone else is telling me I am wrong; this is a value judgment.  Who are they to say what is right and wrong, etc.</p>
<p>The links between body, gender, and sexuality are all assumptions.  The normalization that society imposes has no greater scientific merit than any person&#8217;s random opinion.  The current theories in psychology are at great odds with those in other disciplines.  They also require a large amount of synthesis, and many assumptions.  To the psychologist, gender identity is something constructed from an early age.  In neurology, does it even make sense to talk of &#8220;gender identity&#8221;?</p>
<p>The main point being that we may be trying to make all of this too complex.  I don&#8217;t think creating a model with three axes (one for sex, one for gender, one for sexuality) is particularly enlightening or useful.  I think it obscures the root causes of all three and misdirects our attention from something more fundamental.</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Transnormativiteit: een rem op emancipatie! door Ariablue</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/transnormativiteit-een-generatiekwestie/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariablue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I used google to translate it.  One thing I would like to ask you, is if you had thought about dividing the topics into parts in order to study them.  In transgender writing, people often talk about how gender is separate from sexuality.  It is also said that gender is separate than from the body, thereby offering an explanation for &quot;transsexuals&quot; who change their body.  I believe this is backwards.

What about looking at the situation with only regard to the body?  It is much easier to begin with one part and add more to the model as you go along.  What brings me to this thought is the writing of various intersex activists.  Most people seem to think intersex is a particular group that belongs in the same category for some reason.  But in reality, intersex is just another variation on the human theme, the same as male and female.  

In this sense, if you take all humans on a chart using some standards such as genes and their expression and other characteristics, two peaks will occur which could be labelled &quot;male&quot; and &quot;female&quot;.  This is only with respect to the body, leaving out the mental aspects.

Intersex then, would fall further away than, say, one standard of deviation from the peaks.  This says nothing about the level of comfort or discomfort a person outside the 1st standard of deviation would have with their body or gender role.  It only describes the physical traits of an organism.

If you read the accounts of many people who fall in this range, their primary concern is not finding a gender.  Also, in many cases they do not experience body &quot;dysphoria&quot; unless they have been surgically altered without their consent as children.  A person who is born in this range may be perfectly fine with their body, and perfectly happy with the lack of male or female assignment- except that society demands otherwise.

more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I used google to translate it.  One thing I would like to ask you, is if you had thought about dividing the topics into parts in order to study them.  In transgender writing, people often talk about how gender is separate from sexuality.  It is also said that gender is separate than from the body, thereby offering an explanation for &#8220;transsexuals&#8221; who change their body.  I believe this is backwards.</p>
<p>What about looking at the situation with only regard to the body?  It is much easier to begin with one part and add more to the model as you go along.  What brings me to this thought is the writing of various intersex activists.  Most people seem to think intersex is a particular group that belongs in the same category for some reason.  But in reality, intersex is just another variation on the human theme, the same as male and female.  </p>
<p>In this sense, if you take all humans on a chart using some standards such as genes and their expression and other characteristics, two peaks will occur which could be labelled &#8220;male&#8221; and &#8220;female&#8221;.  This is only with respect to the body, leaving out the mental aspects.</p>
<p>Intersex then, would fall further away than, say, one standard of deviation from the peaks.  This says nothing about the level of comfort or discomfort a person outside the 1st standard of deviation would have with their body or gender role.  It only describes the physical traits of an organism.</p>
<p>If you read the accounts of many people who fall in this range, their primary concern is not finding a gender.  Also, in many cases they do not experience body &#8220;dysphoria&#8221; unless they have been surgically altered without their consent as children.  A person who is born in this range may be perfectly fine with their body, and perfectly happy with the lack of male or female assignment- except that society demands otherwise.</p>
<p>more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Transnormativiteit: een rem op emancipatie! door Alice Verheij</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/transnormativiteit-een-generatiekwestie/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice Verheij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ariablue, English version follows later today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ariablue, English version follows later today.</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Transnormativiteit: een rem op emancipatie! door ariablue</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/transnormativiteit-een-generatiekwestie/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>ariablue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to read this :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to read this <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Reactie op Mededeling &#8211; Announcement. door Alice Verheij</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Verheij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Je keuze om een klacht in te dienen zal toch niet gebaseerd zijn op een tip van mij hoop ik. Ik weet van je problemen met het team maar deel je mening daarin niet. Wat niet wil zeggen dat ik geen kritiek heb. 
Overigens is het natuurlijk prima om een klacht in te dienen als je er inderdaad niet meer met ze uitkomt en / of vindt onjuist behandeld te zijn / worden. Daar zijn klachtprocedures voor bedoeld. Houdt je verwachtingen t.a.v. hiervan wel in toom want er is immers maar een klein percentage klachten dat wordt gehonoreerd. Wel leiden klachten - mits gegrond - regelmatig tot beleidswijziging en dat is dan weer een goede zaak.

Alice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Je keuze om een klacht in te dienen zal toch niet gebaseerd zijn op een tip van mij hoop ik. Ik weet van je problemen met het team maar deel je mening daarin niet. Wat niet wil zeggen dat ik geen kritiek heb.<br />
Overigens is het natuurlijk prima om een klacht in te dienen als je er inderdaad niet meer met ze uitkomt en / of vindt onjuist behandeld te zijn / worden. Daar zijn klachtprocedures voor bedoeld. Houdt je verwachtingen t.a.v. hiervan wel in toom want er is immers maar een klein percentage klachten dat wordt gehonoreerd. Wel leiden klachten &#8211; mits gegrond &#8211; regelmatig tot beleidswijziging en dat is dan weer een goede zaak.</p>
<p>Alice</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Mededeling &#8211; Announcement. door Frederique</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/mededeling/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;t Is wel grappig. In dezelfde week als jij deze stap neemt, neem ik de stap om eindelijk jouw tip op te volgen: ik ga een klacht indienen tegen het genderteam. Da&#039;s mijn (beperkte) aandeel in belangenbehartiging voor transgenders en voor Vrijheid van Gender, waar ik heilig in geloof en waar we nog -lang- niet zijn. 
Ik wens je veel succes en je weet me te vinden als je hulp nodig hebt. Dat we beide nog veel actie mogen voeren...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;t Is wel grappig. In dezelfde week als jij deze stap neemt, neem ik de stap om eindelijk jouw tip op te volgen: ik ga een klacht indienen tegen het genderteam. Da&#8217;s mijn (beperkte) aandeel in belangenbehartiging voor transgenders en voor Vrijheid van Gender, waar ik heilig in geloof en waar we nog -lang- niet zijn.<br />
Ik wens je veel succes en je weet me te vinden als je hulp nodig hebt. Dat we beide nog veel actie mogen voeren&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Reactie op Alice Verheij door henk ros</title>
		<link>http://tonderzoek.wordpress.com/over-alice-verheij/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>henk ros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallo Alice

Here a reaction of henk from Budapest. I m back in groningen wednesday late evening. so we have to contact eachother for an appointment with my partner Deborah in budapest.  So thursday I m the whole day at the office. see you and greetings. Greetings also from Deborah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallo Alice</p>
<p>Here a reaction of henk from Budapest. I m back in groningen wednesday late evening. so we have to contact eachother for an appointment with my partner Deborah in budapest.  So thursday I m the whole day at the office. see you and greetings. Greetings also from Deborah.</p>
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